tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post1071895649154310455..comments2024-01-17T03:54:39.225-05:00Comments on Hieing to Kolob: Utah Midwifery--Why You Should CareBored in Vernalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14016611721544251941noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-61409704771395026302009-03-21T20:10:00.000-04:002009-03-21T20:10:00.000-04:00I know I'm picking up an old thread, but I wan...I know I'm picking up an old thread, but I want to thank all of the contributors and let you know I appreciate the information. I have had a UT CNM birth in Feb 2005 (Medicaid wouldn't pay for a non-hospital birth) and my miscarriage and second live birth were handled with care and efficiency and kindness (and national health insurance $10 USD for the D&C and $300 USD for the hospital delivery) overseas in Taiwan by a "traditional" western medical doctor who was flexible enough to actually let me do the birthing, my husband cut the cord and break a hundred Chinese/Taiwanese (customs along the way). I really think knowing our own bodies and not being afraid of labor is what is best for each of us as women, I think we all need to find that rational space and know that each pregnancy, delivery, person is different and we need to TRUST our instincts, and respect others choices (like the epidural, episomoty, c-sections who WANT it that way!) I do hope that in UT especially that the local government did/will find the correct and honest balance rather than a twisted political agenda... I hope to move back someday and would love to have the option of a home birth with a mid-wife.Ben & Windy Shafferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07256765749101172053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-45093700707416773002008-04-23T07:36:00.000-04:002008-04-23T07:36:00.000-04:00K.Matheson Sutherland.I don't know of any theo...K.Matheson Sutherland.<br>I don't know of any theodicy that works for me, and my x worked mightily hard to write a cogent paper and present it. We talked alot.<br><br>Have you read Pilgrim on Tinker's Creek?<br><br>ificouldhietokolob@myway.com<br>Do you remeber the words to the hymn?Kathleenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10797642017313357294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-82110578777047486282008-03-29T11:37:00.000-04:002008-03-29T11:37:00.000-04:00Callgirl, How awesome that you came to my blog! I...Callgirl, How awesome that you came to my blog! I looooove Daughter #3 and her birth was indeed miraculous. She was born completely blue with the cord wrapped around her neck. The midwives worked on rescuscitating her for about 10 minutes. They handed DH a bottle of consecrated oil and he blessed her for quite a while, calling her spirit to come to earth and to enter her body. They were indeed starting to comfort me by telling me "it was the Lord's will," when we claimed the blessings that had been promised and the stubborn little thing finally came to us. Everyone in the room felt her spirit come into the room. It was pretty amazing. <br><br>Some might find this story a testimonial against home birth, but I am confident that the midwives were prepared and skilled and able to do everything that could have been done in a hospital. In addition, if this was indeed a spiritual manifestation, perhaps the hospital environment would not have been conducive to bringing her spirit down. Who knows? <br><br>...and did she tell you she was my sweetest baby? She was cuddly and sweet and rarely cried.Bored in Vernalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14016611721544251941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-7139212880421480052008-03-29T10:54:00.000-04:002008-03-29T10:54:00.000-04:00Oops--I meant "privilege". Sorry. I ha...Oops--I meant "privilege". Sorry. I hate misspelling things. Too bad I'm not an educated intellectual like the rest of you probably are! Sorry again.callgirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-62236216367478128682008-03-29T10:33:00.000-04:002008-03-29T10:33:00.000-04:00Dear BiV,You say that your third child was born at...Dear BiV,<br><br>You say that your third child was born at home. According to her, she was "born dead", and it wasn't untill after a priestood blessing that she began breathing. The midwife was about to declare FB dead. You confronted your husband, reminding him that in the blessing he gave you before the birth that you were promised a positive outcome for you and the baby. He then took the baby in his arms and blessed her. She miraculously was revived. This is her version of the story. I laughed and said, "See (FB), your mom really does love you after all!" <br>Is any of this true? If so, did it give you any pause about having home births? Just curious. <br><br>(P.S. FB is an exceptionally wonderful person and I love her like my own daughter. I consider it a priviledge to rub shoulders with her.)callgirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-66885192162415634992008-03-08T03:02:00.000-05:002008-03-08T03:02:00.000-05:00i just found you through anna's page. i had m...i just found you through anna's page. i had my first at home and my next three at the birth and family place in holladay. the other day a *friend* of mine commented on my birthing choices saying, "you just don't know how LUCKY you are!" i felt like replying that she just didn't know how ignorant SHE IS! get's my g's in a twist just thinking about it.<br><br>did they actually pass this bill?jenicahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01685542422272964183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-34621720403506916882008-03-05T17:50:00.000-05:002008-03-05T17:50:00.000-05:00well, folks, I just found out Dayton's husband...well, folks, I just found out Dayton's husband is an OB-GYN. Figures.Bored in Vernalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14016611721544251941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-22881893495442199762008-03-04T12:49:00.000-05:002008-03-04T12:49:00.000-05:00THANK YOU for posting this. I am so tired of peopl...THANK YOU for posting this. I am so tired of people thinking that I'm nuts for wanting to labor without drugs and to have a midwife by my side at all times. Thankfully I live in Los Angeles where there are some other "natural" women here who prefer to go to midwives over ob/gyn's. I have nothing against medical doctors, btw, but I do think that they are not forthright in telling a women about all of our options in giving birth. My first ob/gyn told me I wouldn't get a "medal" if I did it w/o drugs. I told him it was NOT about getting a medal! I want to do what is best for my baby. If it means that getting drugs and having a c-section is the best thing -- then by all means -- do it. But let's not use that as the FIRST option.<br><br>As you can tell I have strong feelings on this subject. If you're interested in reading more about women's rights in giving birth - I highly recommend the book "Pushed: The Painful Truth about Childbirth and Modern Care" by Jennifer Block.<br><br>Also, women should learn to trust their bodies to do the work of labor. <br><br>My first child I was literally FORCED into being induced and everything went wrong. It was not a beautiful time and it sent me into post partum depression. <br><br>My second child I birthed naturally (mainly at home) and it was the MOST AMAZING and WONDERFUL experience of my entire life! It was magical. It was humbling and spiritual. Natural birth does not mean screaming and wrenching in pain. If you do your homework and prepare -- it's amazing what you can do. And I'm a baby -- I do not like pain. I almost cry over papercuts, so no, I'm not different than most women. But childbirth is different.<br><br>WE WERE MADE TO BIRTH BABIES.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-17727941496310777802008-03-04T01:56:00.000-05:002008-03-04T01:56:00.000-05:00Dayton was a labor and delivery nurse? Well, that ...Dayton was a labor and delivery nurse? Well, <i>that</i> explains a lot.<br><br>I had an OB at a regular hospital with my first. Never, never again.<br><br>I went to CNM with my second and I absolutely loved my experience. I felt cared for as an entire person, not as this thing that needed to be medically administered and controlled. <br><br>I'm a little too chicken to try an at-home birth at this point, but I <i>love</i> the idea and respect any woman's right to make that decision.<br><br>I mean, if you think about it, aren't these types of laws misogynistic? As if we poor women haven't a thought in our heads and couldn't possibly make an informed decision? Give me a break! <br><br>Thank for for a well-written article. I loved all the historical background.Azúcarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13859567470814286102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-2916527619082091862008-03-03T14:33:00.000-05:002008-03-03T14:33:00.000-05:00I have problems with my uterus and would have died...I have problems with my uterus and would have died without intervention and a cesearean. Especially with my second where I had a placental abruption and was bleeding to death. But, my mom had four home births (including me!) and I am a big advocate for home birth for most pregnancies. I wish people weren't so weirded out and scared by it. Especially obstetricians and other hospital personnel. Yes, if you have certain risk factors you probably shouldn't do it. But it is possible for a lot of people and I wish more people would realize that. I think it is also a healthy, positive thing for families. My mom's descriptions of births (I don't remember them very well) involve all the other kids being home and being able to greet their new sibling and their mother right away. Part of my second little one's birth that was so stressful was the fact that we couldn't find anyone to watch our daughter and I had to spend four days in the hospital basically alone.FoxyJhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17950095008611661757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-45970155037469398822008-03-03T13:47:00.000-05:002008-03-03T13:47:00.000-05:00Ayla, thank you so much for taking the time to add...Ayla, thank you so much for taking the time to add this information about the anointings/setting aparts!! Fantastic stuff.Bored in Vernalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14016611721544251941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-56469596491581600532008-03-03T12:08:00.000-05:002008-03-03T12:08:00.000-05:00Thank you for this post. I don't live in Utah,...Thank you for this post. I don't live in Utah, but I have been following this in the online SL Trib. We have some similar issues going on in Montana. I had a midwife assisted hospital birth in 1982, and I had the beautiful experience of witnessing the homebirth of twin grandsons in Utah almost two years ago (just the day before my 1982-born daughter was married in SLC). The boys weighed almost eight pounds each (and their mother is barely five feet tall). The competance of the midwives involved (there were three) was beyond reproach. I have no question that those babies, and their mother, were safer and healthier with the home birth. I challenge anyone who questions homebirth to witness one.<br><br>I have just discovered in some research that my third-great grandmother, Diantha Morley Billings, was a midwife in early Utah. She was a well-respected and essential part of her community.<br><br>I truly see this as a women's rights issue, as well as a health issue. To me, it's a no-brainer. Why would we deny women the choice of providing the best care for themselves and their children?<br><br>I wish I had a Utah lesgislator to write to. I hope those of you who live there will speak up about this, no matter what your age or child-bearing status.CatherineWOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-39192437225084835372008-03-03T10:38:00.000-05:002008-03-03T10:38:00.000-05:00This is exactly corrent. I love the post and I tho...This is exactly corrent. I love the post and I thought I would share a few sections of my Master's degree thesis which I did on Mormons and homebirth.<br><br>"The Word of Wisdom is very in tune with the practice of midwifery and directs herbs to be used in the healing of disease (Brady 88). The Word of Wisdom was given as a health code for all Mormons however Smith also directed midwives to use it in particular. He “set apart” Ann Carling, a midwife in Nauvoo, IL, and while laying his hands upon her head he told her that she would be successful in caring for the sick if she would use herbs exclusively in her work (Brady 88).Using the same method discussed for Ann Carling, Joseph also placed his hands on the heads of Patty Sessions and Vienna Jaques, anointing them and directing them not only as midwives for the women but community healers as well (Noall 16).<br><br>Patty Sessions and Vienna Jacques were women of priestly authority following their anointing. They used their skills both herbally and spiritually to assist in birth and to heal the Mormon pioneers who walked from the east to Utah, ending in the Salt Lake basin (Noall 18). So effective were their abilities to heal and so great was the confidence place in them by their fellow Mormons, that often when doctors attempted to assist in difficult situations Mormon men would slam the door in their face (Noall 18).<br><br>In the early days of Utah Mormon settlements, midwives were, as Margaret K. Brady puts it, the feminist alternative to regular medicine (Brady 87). Midwives were the voice of authority in Utah and held a mystical place for their patients (Noall 15). Intertwined with spirituality the midwives and other women blessed each other often. Eliza Snow, a woman whom we will remember had been given the priesthood and had revelations on Heavenly Mother, is known to have blessed midwife Patty Bartlett on the occasion of her birthday (Noall 33).<br><br>Mormon midwife healers lived in the land that their Book of Mormon described and they knew through their spiritual beliefs that the thistle and sage growing in the hills around them had once been used by the Nephites, one of the early American tribes according to The Book of Mormon (Noall 16). This speaks to the midwives deep connection with the land on which they lived and they knew through their faith that the earth would heal them."Aylahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05651695936428951194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-52604905132627473002008-03-03T09:29:00.000-05:002008-03-03T09:29:00.000-05:00Thanks for posting this! My three births were atte...Thanks for posting this! My three births were attended by midwives. The first two were homebirths with lay midwives (in Utah and Massachusetts)and the third was a natural hospital birth with CNM.bigbrownhousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2035557836022548249.post-72288248769564114682008-03-02T15:49:00.000-05:002008-03-02T15:49:00.000-05:00This is something my sister is directly involved i...This is something my sister is directly involved in. She recently said that they have gotten some compromise that wasn't in the original bill, which may be about all they can get at this point.<br><br>One of the things that has been frustrating about this bill and the others that UMA has tried to push through is the lack of statistical support for the kinds of restrictions they have outlined.m&mnoreply@blogger.com